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		<title>By: G.S.Greene</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>G.S.Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't really intending to respond, because I usually just express a theory, and leave it alone, what with not having alot of information. But those of us who actually contribute to the creative process notice PATTERNS, which are not LEAPS. And your patronizing comments about what life deals us was just too much.

I would have been fine without that.

I am going with the info given. Folks who are writers and artists create patterns, unlike linear mathematical thinking fanboys who see only "ya, know, like that would be fucking awesome." I don't know what this whole thing is, nor do I claim to.
What I do know - and I hate to inject the word experience into this, but there you have it - that given all the information, and that means the people involved with the film and their past contributions, I have no choice but to believe this is something that is not a Comi-Con, Comic Store Guy From The Simpsons rehash  of a concept that will just not work in the US. The remake of Godzilla did not work.
All I meant was that there seems to be something more to this than just the geek-boy, monster conjured up from radioactivity or global warming, or whatthefuckever. The critics would ruin it, and no amount of hand-held, Gen-Y actor junk will change that.
The trailer and the other marketing stuff screams of tragic figures, not a summer blockbuster released in the middle of winter! Knowing the writers and their work on Lost, this needs to be very dark, disturbing and intimate to work. Otherwise, no mere $30 million will show up onscreen on a hand-held, cute boy/girl venture.
There are too many foreshadowing things going on, regardless of the lisping ruin who did the web doc that was today posted on AICN. The absolute arrogance of people pronouncing what is likely or not I have not seen since the Star Wars prequel stuff.
I mean, all the numerical shit, and looking for background clues in pictures means nothing if you're looking for creative patterns that follow throughout what you are given. Trailers are not cheap things, and this was not put together as "oh, this is what we got, so let's just throw it out there." Artists get where they are because, hopefully, that's what they are. And there are a lot of connected things going on. What you call leaps, I call following patterns that make sense. Sorry, this is not a program, or a mathematical equation. There just might be this ART thing going on here, otherwise there's no way a giant monster flick will go over. It has literally all been done, and everything you described has all been done.
SO let me break it down (and I should maybe apologize for attempting to give an assessment with my previous post.)
-$30 million budget, not alot unless you have a really good story, with good actors, a REALLY original idea and  really HUGE and brilliant set piece.
-release date in the middle of January. Nobody cares, and staying away from Indy 4 is not a good enough reason, not with the extensive viral marketing that's going on.
-everyone involved is not an idiot. We are being, for whatever reason,  made to care about these characters months in advance of this film's release. Again, another, sorry, creative arrow pointing toward a tragic story. This may not, in other words, be for the pocket-protector crowd.
- Everything about this points away from the "wow, ya know, like, this is totally awesome, like, dope kick-ass" SFX flick. It's all been done.
- Granted, no one, and I do mean NO ONE, knows really anything about this, least of all the torture porn lovers at AICN. So - for those of you who are reading around - the whole zombie thing is a total complete turnoff.

At any rate, I mean all of this to be fun, because nothing this interesting has come along in a long time. I just really hope they don't screw it up by being what most of these folks have, quite honestly, regurgitated. I'm just interjecting what I actually know and have experienced with the information given, unlike the comic store conjecture I see all over. Perhaps I should apologize for that, but not likely.

What I can only transmit is my hope that this project, whatever that is, does not spiral into the fanboy mentality: Intelligence without wisdom; imagination without emotion.
Seems like a cool thing going on. But then, I'm just a big Godzilla fan from way back. And monsters DO exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t really intending to respond, because I usually just express a theory, and leave it alone, what with not having alot of information. But those of us who actually contribute to the creative process notice PATTERNS, which are not LEAPS. And your patronizing comments about what life deals us was just too much.</p>
<p>I would have been fine without that.</p>
<p>I am going with the info given. Folks who are writers and artists create patterns, unlike linear mathematical thinking fanboys who see only &#8220;ya, know, like that would be fucking awesome.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know what this whole thing is, nor do I claim to.<br />
What I do know - and I hate to inject the word experience into this, but there you have it - that given all the information, and that means the people involved with the film and their past contributions, I have no choice but to believe this is something that is not a Comi-Con, Comic Store Guy From The Simpsons rehash  of a concept that will just not work in the US. The remake of Godzilla did not work.<br />
All I meant was that there seems to be something more to this than just the geek-boy, monster conjured up from radioactivity or global warming, or whatthefuckever. The critics would ruin it, and no amount of hand-held, Gen-Y actor junk will change that.<br />
The trailer and the other marketing stuff screams of tragic figures, not a summer blockbuster released in the middle of winter! Knowing the writers and their work on Lost, this needs to be very dark, disturbing and intimate to work. Otherwise, no mere $30 million will show up onscreen on a hand-held, cute boy/girl venture.<br />
There are too many foreshadowing things going on, regardless of the lisping ruin who did the web doc that was today posted on AICN. The absolute arrogance of people pronouncing what is likely or not I have not seen since the Star Wars prequel stuff.<br />
I mean, all the numerical shit, and looking for background clues in pictures means nothing if you&#8217;re looking for creative patterns that follow throughout what you are given. Trailers are not cheap things, and this was not put together as &#8220;oh, this is what we got, so let&#8217;s just throw it out there.&#8221; Artists get where they are because, hopefully, that&#8217;s what they are. And there are a lot of connected things going on. What you call leaps, I call following patterns that make sense. Sorry, this is not a program, or a mathematical equation. There just might be this ART thing going on here, otherwise there&#8217;s no way a giant monster flick will go over. It has literally all been done, and everything you described has all been done.<br />
SO let me break it down (and I should maybe apologize for attempting to give an assessment with my previous post.)<br />
-$30 million budget, not alot unless you have a really good story, with good actors, a REALLY original idea and  really HUGE and brilliant set piece.<br />
-release date in the middle of January. Nobody cares, and staying away from Indy 4 is not a good enough reason, not with the extensive viral marketing that&#8217;s going on.<br />
-everyone involved is not an idiot. We are being, for whatever reason,  made to care about these characters months in advance of this film&#8217;s release. Again, another, sorry, creative arrow pointing toward a tragic story. This may not, in other words, be for the pocket-protector crowd.<br />
- Everything about this points away from the &#8220;wow, ya know, like, this is totally awesome, like, dope kick-ass&#8221; SFX flick. It&#8217;s all been done.<br />
- Granted, no one, and I do mean NO ONE, knows really anything about this, least of all the torture porn lovers at AICN. So - for those of you who are reading around - the whole zombie thing is a total complete turnoff.</p>
<p>At any rate, I mean all of this to be fun, because nothing this interesting has come along in a long time. I just really hope they don&#8217;t screw it up by being what most of these folks have, quite honestly, regurgitated. I&#8217;m just interjecting what I actually know and have experienced with the information given, unlike the comic store conjecture I see all over. Perhaps I should apologize for that, but not likely.</p>
<p>What I can only transmit is my hope that this project, whatever that is, does not spiral into the fanboy mentality: Intelligence without wisdom; imagination without emotion.<br />
Seems like a cool thing going on. But then, I&#8217;m just a big Godzilla fan from way back. And monsters DO exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Yooka</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Yooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Greene. I want to thank you for the contribution. It is well written and facinating. Unfortunately, I disagree with absolutely every part of it. No disrespect intended, because so much of what we are both talking about is still purely speculation. But I cannot see your estimation of what this film will be about come to fruition for so many reasons, that I honestly doubt I can find the time to explain them all.

I do have to compliment you on your imagination. To take what little fact about the movie we have, and assemble the idea that what the filmmakers are going for it a revenge story against a young marketing exec by a Japanese beverage company that summons a monster in the Atlantic to hunt him down for a poor depiction of their company and nation, with NYC just getting in the way. That's just a series of incredible leaps. You should be a writer, and I do hope you are, or have plans for such, because I am sincerely interested in seeing what else you could come up with.

Anyway, as far as my take, I will just say this. I consider what Abrams said about Comicon, and visiting japan, and being overwhelmed by the memory of Godzilla movies, and thrilled by the thought of actually being in one... I think that is the best estimate as to what this movie is really about. It is the point of view of all of those bystanders in every Godzilla movie who only really get to run and hide without knowing what is going on. Or like the recent adaptation of War of the Worlds. It is very realistic for a cause not to emerge in times as chaotic as those depicted. Real life does not always satisfy the human need to always know "how and why". Sometimes, we are in the dark, and that is also scary. That's why I think, just like in War of the Worlds, we won't find out any answers until much later in the movie (perhaps only after the crisis is averted). And we won't have those answers because the main character is central to the cause of the crisis. Or even because he is some great hero. He's just a guy, like you and me, who caught a few breaks, and wasn't trampled under a skyscraper like hundreds of thousands of others who died without the foggiest clue of what was going on. That's both more believable, more immersive, and less predictable in my opinion.

But we'll both see for ourselves in January. Thanks for writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Greene. I want to thank you for the contribution. It is well written and facinating. Unfortunately, I disagree with absolutely every part of it. No disrespect intended, because so much of what we are both talking about is still purely speculation. But I cannot see your estimation of what this film will be about come to fruition for so many reasons, that I honestly doubt I can find the time to explain them all.</p>
<p>I do have to compliment you on your imagination. To take what little fact about the movie we have, and assemble the idea that what the filmmakers are going for it a revenge story against a young marketing exec by a Japanese beverage company that summons a monster in the Atlantic to hunt him down for a poor depiction of their company and nation, with NYC just getting in the way. That&#8217;s just a series of incredible leaps. You should be a writer, and I do hope you are, or have plans for such, because I am sincerely interested in seeing what else you could come up with.</p>
<p>Anyway, as far as my take, I will just say this. I consider what Abrams said about Comicon, and visiting japan, and being overwhelmed by the memory of Godzilla movies, and thrilled by the thought of actually being in one&#8230; I think that is the best estimate as to what this movie is really about. It is the point of view of all of those bystanders in every Godzilla movie who only really get to run and hide without knowing what is going on. Or like the recent adaptation of War of the Worlds. It is very realistic for a cause not to emerge in times as chaotic as those depicted. Real life does not always satisfy the human need to always know &#8220;how and why&#8221;. Sometimes, we are in the dark, and that is also scary. That&#8217;s why I think, just like in War of the Worlds, we won&#8217;t find out any answers until much later in the movie (perhaps only after the crisis is averted). And we won&#8217;t have those answers because the main character is central to the cause of the crisis. Or even because he is some great hero. He&#8217;s just a guy, like you and me, who caught a few breaks, and wasn&#8217;t trampled under a skyscraper like hundreds of thousands of others who died without the foggiest clue of what was going on. That&#8217;s both more believable, more immersive, and less predictable in my opinion.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ll both see for ourselves in January. Thanks for writing.</p>
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		<title>By: G.S.Greene</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>G.S.Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feeling this is a revenge flick. I mean, in order for this movie to work, it can't just be the passive trashing of NYC without explanation, or plot, for that matter. All the Japanese references, the Slusho site, I believe are central to the plot, as is Rob. He's a marketing guy. By nature, marketing folks are exploitive. Look at the Slusho site. That is so racist and stereotypical it's not even funny. I think he works marketing for the Slusho company in the US and has done something to humiliate the tradition of the company, or people involved, or something. If more than one person at the party have Slusho shirts, I think that's beyond coincidence and they either work for him, or are supporting his move to Japan to work at that company. The Japanese guy who briefly talks at the party does not seem pleased at all,  if not pissed off. I think, somehow, this is a mystical film and the monster is conjured up to specifically kill this Rob guy, as way out as it seems, and NYC is just in the way. I mean, it's coincidental this is happening on going away party? It's coincidental that the head of the statue of liberty lands just outside where he is? Let me restate, in order for this to work singly from the point of view of personal video from the point of view of these characters, the explanation of the event must come from these people. I mean, they can't stop and look through the shop window at a TV to get the lowdown on what's going on. No scientist interviews, no experts.  And certainly no TV reporters on a scene that is rapidly becoming rubble. SO, I think this creature has something to do - in the tradition of Japanese legends of monsters taking vengeance - with one or more of these characters. They cannot merely be witnesses.
And if this movie begins, as was stated on AICN, with rescue workers discovering the camera, thus starting the movie with it playing, the irony that it had to do with one person would be crushing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling this is a revenge flick. I mean, in order for this movie to work, it can&#8217;t just be the passive trashing of NYC without explanation, or plot, for that matter. All the Japanese references, the Slusho site, I believe are central to the plot, as is Rob. He&#8217;s a marketing guy. By nature, marketing folks are exploitive. Look at the Slusho site. That is so racist and stereotypical it&#8217;s not even funny. I think he works marketing for the Slusho company in the US and has done something to humiliate the tradition of the company, or people involved, or something. If more than one person at the party have Slusho shirts, I think that&#8217;s beyond coincidence and they either work for him, or are supporting his move to Japan to work at that company. The Japanese guy who briefly talks at the party does not seem pleased at all,  if not pissed off. I think, somehow, this is a mystical film and the monster is conjured up to specifically kill this Rob guy, as way out as it seems, and NYC is just in the way. I mean, it&#8217;s coincidental this is happening on going away party? It&#8217;s coincidental that the head of the statue of liberty lands just outside where he is? Let me restate, in order for this to work singly from the point of view of personal video from the point of view of these characters, the explanation of the event must come from these people. I mean, they can&#8217;t stop and look through the shop window at a TV to get the lowdown on what&#8217;s going on. No scientist interviews, no experts.  And certainly no TV reporters on a scene that is rapidly becoming rubble. SO, I think this creature has something to do - in the tradition of Japanese legends of monsters taking vengeance - with one or more of these characters. They cannot merely be witnesses.<br />
And if this movie begins, as was stated on AICN, with rescue workers discovering the camera, thus starting the movie with it playing, the irony that it had to do with one person would be crushing.</p>
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		<title>By: jfiscus</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>jfiscus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i recently saw this thread on a new specualtion on the monster theme:
http://www.cloverfieldnews.com/2007/07/23/the-beast-from-20000-fathoms/#comments

it seems to fit into a lot of areas, but noone has seen the movie recently enough to see if anything else fits. I believe the monster goes thru new yourk to coney island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recently saw this thread on a new specualtion on the monster theme:<br />
<a href="http://www.cloverfieldnews.com/2007/07/23/the-beast-from-20000-fathoms/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.cloverfieldnews.com/2007/07/23/the-beast-from-20000-fathoms/#comments</a></p>
<p>it seems to fit into a lot of areas, but noone has seen the movie recently enough to see if anything else fits. I believe the monster goes thru new yourk to coney island.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, we got a comedian over here!  Nicely done.</description>
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		<title>By: Yooka</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Yooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lorenzo. Love your music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Music

Shoes, eh? Now THAT would be an interesting movie. "It's not Godzilla... It's GALOSHES!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lorenzo. Love your music.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Music" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Music</a></p>
<p>Shoes, eh? Now THAT would be an interesting movie. &#8220;It&#8217;s not Godzilla&#8230; It&#8217;s GALOSHES!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paulisnofun</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulisnofun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think he says "I saw it!  It's Allive.  It's Shoes!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think he says &#8220;I saw it!  It&#8217;s Allive.  It&#8217;s Shoes!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great commentary, thoroughly enjoyed it.</description>
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		<title>By: Yooka</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Yooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, Glad you liked it guys.

Mike: Might be right about what you heard in Bible School. Then again, even though I am a practicing Christian, I believe that whatever the "true" message was in regards to the bible has gone through so many hands, and been uised for political purposes for so many millenia, that know one really knows for sure what the original message was. The politics of what books were voted into what would become the bible were quite interesting. So who knows.

Just read the NYPost article. Good stuff. Perhaps it's an Alien Lion Form (or an ALF for short)  :)

Same for the apocalypse. It is all in hopw you define the term, thus the genre of fiction known as "post-apocalyptic".

Vince: Christ on a Cracker, indeed. Still, after the Haas sites are debunked, I personally doubt it's what is being said. We'll find out in January.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, Glad you liked it guys.</p>
<p>Mike: Might be right about what you heard in Bible School. Then again, even though I am a practicing Christian, I believe that whatever the &#8220;true&#8221; message was in regards to the bible has gone through so many hands, and been uised for political purposes for so many millenia, that know one really knows for sure what the original message was. The politics of what books were voted into what would become the bible were quite interesting. So who knows.</p>
<p>Just read the NYPost article. Good stuff. Perhaps it&#8217;s an Alien Lion Form (or an ALF for short)  :)</p>
<p>Same for the apocalypse. It is all in hopw you define the term, thus the genre of fiction known as &#8220;post-apocalyptic&#8221;.</p>
<p>Vince: Christ on a Cracker, indeed. Still, after the Haas sites are debunked, I personally doubt it&#8217;s what is being said. We&#8217;ll find out in January.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://stylevirb.com/where-the-wild-rumors-roar/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for defending the "it's a lion" interpretation.  i swear up and down that's what i'm hearing, and i have been saying since the debate started that it makes NO sense to tell someone, "it's alive."  it is simply not an informative statement, especially when someone asks you, "what is it? is it coming this way?"  if it CAN come this way, then it is ALIVE.  christ on a cracker, people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for defending the &#8220;it&#8217;s a lion&#8221; interpretation.  i swear up and down that&#8217;s what i&#8217;m hearing, and i have been saying since the debate started that it makes NO sense to tell someone, &#8220;it&#8217;s alive.&#8221;  it is simply not an informative statement, especially when someone asks you, &#8220;what is it? is it coming this way?&#8221;  if it CAN come this way, then it is ALIVE.  christ on a cracker, people!</p>
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